Sola Scriptura?biblical?
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Re: Sola Scriptura?biblical?
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Originally Posted by reccanboy
Comparing Matthew 16:19 with Matthew 18:18, Jesus seems to be speaking of when there is a brother sinning in the Church, or a scandal. The issue is to be taken up with the Church.
I don't understand your position from my reading of Matthew, can you help me out? This also seems to be the interpretation given by the Church Fathers. I find no mention of an infallible Church. |
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My dear friend in Christ,
Can we agree that "words mean something?" Catholic means "Universal' thus her (THE RCC) takes the utmost care in selecting not only what she teaches, but also HOW, as in what words best articulate, the truth taught by God and handed on by her. A most common understanding of the word is to be applied.
Jesus was a Jew, so because He spoke most often to the Jewish nation of His time, he utilized Jewish words, stories and expressions, inorder to be clearly understood. Agreed
In the O.T. time period Jewish cities were almost always "walled in and fortified." This is a historical fact.
The norm for these walled cities was to have a "main gate" which in point of fact, did have real a key.
I'm getting tired so I'll try to be brief. Please take note of the following (use the K.J. version if it'll make you more comfortable.)
13* Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that the Son of man is?" 14* And they said, "Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16* Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17* And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19* I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."[/COLOR
]Now note the following:
"I" singular
give "you Peter" ( a new name from God meaning ROCK in Greek, so He Jesus is speaking now, to only Peter.
Again "I" singular will build "MY church" also singular
I (Jesus) will give you (Peter) singular the "keys to the kingdom."
And the gates of hell shall not (God speaking to Peter) prevail againist it." How can this be, because God manifested in the Holy Spirit is the guarentor of this truth. God simply cannot lie, and a "Pope cannot error when teaching world wide, to the entire Church on matters of Faith and Morals."
Now back to the walled city, which represents the Kingdom of God in this instance.
Each city had a King, but the person who held "the key" held the real power. (Because this was the Kings desire.)
The key-holder was called the "Prime Minister" and it was he who make all the daily decissions, what could be done, what could not be done, who could do what, and who could't do this or that. Again this is historically proveable.
So what was the point of Jesus giving Peter the keys? To clearly indicate His Godly intent to give Peter the complete power (answering ONLY to the King) to run totally, independently and completely the Kings Kingdom (now meaning God's Kinkdon on earth: His Bride. His Church.)
Jesus is "the King" and Peter is the New Prime Minister.
The terms "binding and loosing" meant exactly that, and in point of fact are legeally binding rabbical terms of the time, for this very kind of power and administration. Thus read "as infallible" that is a proper understanding of the term, "bind and loose" because ONLY the King could over rule the PM. So only Christ Himself can over-rule Peter and the Pontiffs.
Jesus is represented as the King: 'Hail King of the Jews." St. Peter is the New Priminister. I Jesus give you Peter the key's to My Kingdom. Can't be clearer than this.
So that explains clearly how Peter was placed in charge, of God's one church.
Because Christ died "for the many", we know that His church was not entended just for the short life of Peter alone. Common sense!
Because Christ (God's) Church was given the seven Sacraments ( and yes this is bibically founded) we understand this was because "all men are sinners", God's desires that "all-men" be saved." (There are more who are lost than saved.) He provides heavenly-Godly help in the form of the free gift of grace, and in His one Church, are the Sacramental graces par exellence: Holy Communion, the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Glorified Body of Jesus, and the Sacrament of Known Forgiveness, "reconcillation." plus the other Sacraments.
So, it's late for me, so until next time.
May our loving God continue to shoer you with blessings,
Pat Miron
Marian Catecheist
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