Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Saturday, November 24, 2012
patrick j miron ---Monopoly--The test is: “If it does NOT fully conform to what the Catholic Church teaches; quite simply; it is wrong.
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even Unities God Grants His Catholic Church
even Unities God Grants His Catholic Church
The Ties that Bind Christ to His One Church and we to Christ
by Patrick j Miron
Matthew 7: 21, 24 - 27
"Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
"Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house,
but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."
“Let those “who have ears hear”
Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples [Apostles] came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. [Jesus speaks here of true Faith and Right Understanding.]
2nd. Peter 1: 17-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
2nd. Peter 3: 14-17 “Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability”
In order to, God willing, improve the odds of those needing to get this message, actually being able to grasp its importance, I will be extremely blunt and clear. PLEASE do not take offense to what I am saying. My tone is NOT accusatory; rather it is shared out of a sincere love of my neighbors; our brethren in the non-Catholic, Christian communions. And a deep concern for the salvation of all-possible souls.
God Teaches and permits
ONLY of one each of the Seven signs of unity.
“Seven” is a biblical number signifying “Perfect.”
1. One Body = Church, One single Faith organization
2. One Spirit = Love of God, self and neighbor as ourselves
3. One Hope = Salvation, which is a process of many essential-components
4. One Christ = Redeemer and Savior: Are not synonymous terms
5. One Faith= Only What God Actually teaches in its totality
6. One Baptism= Water and the Spirit, Desire, and or Blood
7. One God =Triune: Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Shown below is an amazing biblical summary-confirmation of what God has always held too as key elements of the singular truths necessary for anyone’s salvation.
It expresses the essential unity and doctrines that relate most directly to the broad issue of “salvation.”
It is in a nearly complete “outline” form, what each of us must know the details of, then accept and live fully, if our “hope” of our own and others salvation is to bear the fruit of reality.
Each of the elements has a direct, irrevocable connection to today’s Catholic Church,
led of course by the Roman Catholic Church,
as the “keeper of the Key’s”
, those men that God Himself chooses
, like Peter,
to Lead
and to teach to
“the ends of the earth”
[Mt. 28:16-20] , all that Christ has Ordained and commands.
1. One Body = Church, One single Faith organization
The New testament alone has over 100 references to but One Church, meaning one set of Faith beliefs, confined in a single faith-organization. God Choose only “One” Chirch influenced by Divine Prudence, Justice and Fairness. Any more than one would increase the potential for error.
Would permit a double jeopardy. 1. The choice of knowing and loving God or hating God.
2. A possibility of “loving God” in a manner NOT of His Divine choosing.
Quite possibly insufficient for ones personal salvation?
7. One God =Triune: Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Again there is no debate on this Critical issue. [THANK GOD!] Nor is there room for one. It is true and also FACT. Amen!
Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24 CONTINUED: “….
“And his gifts were that some should be
apostles,
some prophets,
some evangelists,
some pastors and
teachers,
to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
[Singular] until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles.
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body,
[Singular]
joined and knit together by every joint with which it is supplied,
when each part is working properly, makes bodily growth and upbuilds itself in love.
This my friends, defines, and explains OUR Personal Mission, and the Mission of “The Church “ [Singular.] It is in this very sense that “WE ARE Thee Church.” SHE; “Mother Church” exist For us, and if we are truly joined to Her; by us; and through us to Christ.
Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24 CONTINUED: “….
“Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do,
in the futility of their minds;
they are darkened in their understanding
, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them,
due to their hardness of heart;
they have become callous and have given themselves up to licentiousness, greedy to practice every kind of uncleanness.
You did not so learn Christ! --
Paul, like me in this lesson is getting tired.
The list he supplies is to include ALL of the Commandments and full Obedience to Church Teachings.
The root of each of these articulated sins can be attributed to Satan’s favorite tool: man’s pride. Pride is the lead - in to all Seven Capitol Sins [also a separate lesson.].
Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24 CONTINUED: “….
“assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus.
Put off your old nature which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and put on the new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.” Amen!
What a truly amazing and informative chapter. God willing, you now also have gained some insight as to why it is dangerous to trust your own understanding of what the Bible ACTUALLY is teaching. The test is: “If it does NOT fully conform to what the Catholic Church teaches; quite simply; it is wrong.
May God Continue to Bless, Guide and Protect you!
3rd Rock from the Sun THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST by--patrick j miron--let him be anathema.
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This is NOT an optional belief. Just as the “breaking of the bread” led to the eventual salvation of the Emmaus disciples; [and too the Apostles ..John 21:12-14],
CANON XI.-lf any one saith, that faith alone is a sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; let him be anathema. And for fear lest so great a sacrament may be received unworthily, and so unto death and condemnation, this holy Synod ordains and declares, that sacramental confession, when a confessor may be had, is of necessity to be made beforehand, by those whose conscience is burthened with mortal sin, how contrite even soever they may think themselves. But if any one shall presume to teach, preach, or obstinately to assert, or even in public disputation to defend the contrary, he shall be thereupon excommunicated.
The moral teaching here is critical to ones salvation.
How did these disciples come to recognize Christ as God?
Luke 24:28-31 “So they drew near to the village to which they were going.
He appeared to be going further, but they constrained him, saying, "Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent." So he went in to stay with them.
When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to them. And their eyes were opened and they recognized him; and he vanished out of their sight.”
[BFS] “With the conferring of the bread came knowledge with greater clarity than ALL OTHER INSTRUCTIONS. The Breaking of the Bread had introduced them into an experience of the Glorified Christ.”
My dear friends, the Resurrection of Christ is the “corner stone” of all Christian belief.
But it’s not quite as clear as this statement may imply?
One CAN most assuredly know that they DO KNOW rightly or fully Christ and are in reality fully, following Him ONLY if and when,
like the disciples on the Road to Emma'us;
they too recognize Christ as God
“in the breaking of the bread.”
Jesus is the wafer of bread
We to must do the identically same thing.
IF one is unable to “see” in Faith and believe what Christ who is God claims is true;
that HE IS the REAL Presence in the wafer of bread
[John 6: 53-56] “So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. “
The Thirteenth Session
ON THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST
CANON I.-If any one denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema.
CANON lI.-If any one saith, that, in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist, the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denieth that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the Body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the Blood-the species Only of the bread and wine remaining-which conversion indeed the Catholic Church most aptly calls Transubstantiation; let him be anathema.
CANON III.-If any one denieth, that, in the venerable sacrament of the Eucharist, the whole Christ is contained under each species, and under every part of each species, when separated; let him be anathema.
CANON IV.-If any one saith, that, after the consecration is completed, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the admirable sacrament of the Eucharist, but (are there) only during the use, whilst it is being taken, and not either before or after; and that, in the hosts, or consecrated particles, which are reserved or which remain after communion, the true Body of the Lord remaineth not; let him be anathema.
CANON V.-If any one saith, either that the principal fruit of the most holy Eucharist is the remission of sins, or, that other effects do not result therefrom; let him be anathema.
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ANON VI.-If any one saith, that, in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, is not to be adored with the worship, even external of latria; and is, consequently, neither to be venerated with a special festive solemnity, nor to be solemnly borne about in processions, according to the laudable and universal rite and custom of holy church; or, is not to be proposed publicly to the people to be adored, and that the adorers thereof are idolators; let him be anathema.
CANON VII.-If any one saith, that it is not lawful for the sacred Eucharist to be reserved in the sacrarium, but that, immediately after consecration, it must necessarily be distributed amongst those present; or, that it is not lawful that it be carried with honour to the sick; let him be anathema.
CANON VIII.-lf any one saith, that Christ, given in the Eucharist, is eaten spiritually only, and not also sacramentally and really; let him be anathema.
CANON IX.-If any one denieth, that all and each of Christ's faithful of both sexes are bound, when they have attained to years of discretion, to communicate every year, at least at Easter, in accordance with the precept of holy Mother Church; let him be anathema.
CANON X.-If any one saith, that it is not lawful for the celebrating priest to communicate himself; let him be anathema.
CANON XI.-lf any one saith, that faith alone is a sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; let him be anathema. And for fear lest so great a sacrament may be received unworthily, and so unto death and condemnation, this holy Synod ordains and declares, that sacramental confession, when a confessor may be had, is of necessity to be made beforehand, by those whose conscience is burthened with mortal sin, how contrite even soever they may think themselves. But if any one shall presume to teach, preach, or obstinately to assert, or even in public disputation to defend the contrary, he shall be thereupon excommunicated.
Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Patrick j miron: Sorry, dad, but you're no longer my master- choose your own religion [HD] [S03...
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Patrick j Miron and Orthodox Catholic Idolatry
Orthodox Catholic Idolatry
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..." —Isaiah 42:8
Catholicism is of the Devil!
Kissing a Russian Orthodox priest's hand!
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord." —Colossians 3:18
More idolatrous kissing!
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord." —Colossians 3:18
Little girl being forced to kiss an icon
Poor child!
"But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God." —Mark 10:14.It greatly angers God when little children are deceived and steered away from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Come on my son, kiss the Queen of Heaven!
"Ye worship ye know not what..." —John 4:22
The icons are worshipped more than Jesus. Some of those icons are of mystics (meaning Satan-possessed) like Sergei Radonevzhski
"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." —1st John 5:21
These people have religion without Christ.
"And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."
-Jesus Christ (John 5:40)
Idolatrous Orthodox Catholics Worshipping an Image of Mary
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." —Mark 7:7
The crazy "Patriarch" and his two dragons!
Also: Notice the Phoenix birdies on his hat.
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." —Matthew 23:15
Notice the two snakes in this Indian Orthodox Minister's hand.
"...but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ." —Galatians 1:7
Czechoslovakian Catholics worship the skull of St. Vaclav
"And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them." —Psalm 106:36
Skull display when it is not being worshipped
Notice the "Skull and Bones" on the cross the priest is holding
Notice the Illuminati "Skull and Bones" Emblem on the cross
People are worshipping Satan and Don't Even Realize it
"...with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." —2nd Thessalonians 2:10
The Orthodox church is 100% ecumenical - just like Catholic!
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" —2nd Corinthians 6:14
The Orthodox priests are worshipped in a big way, many of them even have to be called "VLADIKA", which means: "Ruler" (Like God Who rules the Universe). This photo is from Kosovo."For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." —Matthew 23:4-10
More idolatrous Worshipping!
"...I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God." —Revelation 22:8, 9
Kissing an icon
Worshipping an icon of the Queen of Heaven!
"For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." —Acts 17:23
The Roman Catholic church is a cesspool of homosexual perverts and pedophiles. Pedophilia and homosexuality are inseparable (as many as 50% of all Catholic priests are Sodomites).Catholicism is a lie of the devil. If I didn't sincerely care about people, then I wouldn't take the time to WARN you. The Catholic religion is all a bunch of Satanic lies based upon traditions and ridiculous manipulations of the Word of God. I plead with you as a friend, obey the Bible by turning to the Lord Jesus Christ in faith and forsaking the Mother of Harlots. The Great Whore of the Catholic Church will take you to hell with them if you're foolish enough to follow them. Don't do it. Salvation is NOT found in a religion, but in a Person--the Lord Jesus Christ! You need Christianity friend, NOT churchianity.
Catholics Remove 2nd Commandment (and split the 10th)Fifty Years in the Church of Rome (by Charles Chiniquy, a former Catholic priest)Thirty Years in Hell (by Bernard Fresenborg, a former Catholic priest)List of Catholic Heresies and Human Traditions (What new doctrine will they invent next?)The Hoax of Our Lady of Fatima (One of Catholicism's Biggest Scams)
"He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." —Mark 7:6-9
Probaly the Best Joke Ever--Sola Scriptura?biblical?: But the difference is this, something you fail to grasp: The Roman Catholic Church has ONE set of teachings. So we are not in the same position as "Protestants" (noting herein that you used the word first )
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Re: Sola Scriptura?biblical?
Many Protestant churches also have "ONE set of teachings" also.
What i see you and others try to do is make it seem that the Catholic church is one unified whole. The reality is thats its not. It has just as much diversity as Protestant churches.
What does your authority do for you? Think of interpetations of Scriptures. Your authority has essentially done nothing to give you "one set of interpretation" for a verses and passages of the Scriptures.
No doubt there are diifferences of opinions and beliefs about these things among Christians. We also have many in our churches who claim to believe in Christ but in reality do not. This should be expected since there will always be "tares among the wheat".
Should we not expect this from protestantism since it is supposedly fragmented anyway?
I think not. One can easily with the net access the core beliefs of churches and see what they believe. 
Most splits that i'm aware of are due to church growth.
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Has this happened to Catholic politians who support abortion?
i'm sure this happens for a number of reasons.
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It seems you don't want to look at the problems in your church that claims to be led by the HS and to be unified. I don't blame but if we want the truth then these issues must be discussed.
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| RobHom;4281260]I said: But the difference is this, something you fail to grasp: The Roman Catholic Church has ONE set of teachings. So we are not in the same position as "Protestants" (noting herein that you used the word first ) |
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| And if there was a grain of truth in what you say or imply, then abortion clinics and divorce lawyers would be bankrupt and out of business. Again you try to point the failures of individual Catholics to be the failures of the Church as a whole. |
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| You have no ultimate "authority". You have only your opinions, and among "protestants" there are more opinions than fleas. I have never seen a societal group so at odds with itself. You people make us look like the iron bulwark of steadfastness!! |
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| You people, aka "Protestants" do NOT believe in the Bible. You believe in your individual "BK, hold the pickles, can I have fries with that" theologies. It is your churches embracing gay marriage, looking the other way and even justifying divorces and doing so by saying there is no biblical prohibition to divorce. Some of you rail and rant about drinking liquor....but what and who do you find at the drive up window at the liquor store? Who are the "backsliders" that your preachers rail about all the time? Why is that your preachers always have to preach to ones emotions to get them to accept God? |
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| How many Protestants support abortion, even if not openly??? How many "elected officials" in Congress are not Catholic? The vast majority are "Protestant"....this being the case: Why is not abortion outlawed?? Hmmmmm? |
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| I think you have lived a very sheltered provincial life. |
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| If this was the case, what is the "excuse" for the split? Personality conflicts? No....severe doctrinal disputes and differences in "opinions". Were it otherwise.... there would not be the many thousands of different protestant religions/denominations/groups etc. There would be one or two. |
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| You lack a great deal of understanding about how the Catholic Church works. We do not have "hit squads" dressed in black who go out and serve excommunication notices to individuals who do not do this or that. They automatically excommunicate themselves. If they continue to receive sacraments, then they are committing grave mortal sins. |
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| How many of your brothers and sisters work in abortion clinics, doctors offices, pharmacies and hospitals where abortions are conducted or work where drugs (abortifactants) are dispensed? How many of your brothers and sisters (protestants) do all the wrongs that you decry then go and sit piously in church and holler "Amen" when the preacher wants an Amen? How many blow their horns on the issue in social situations siding with which ever side they are talking to? |
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| My "friend" you have a black and evil bent to you. |
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| You constantly attempt to place blame on others and attempt to judge all by the actions of the few. People who do this kind of erroneous action are not of Christ. To claim that one is, is to shame oneself. I take no delight in this subject or my rejoinder to you. But your threw the rock, so I am willing to return it. My one greatest failure as a Christian....is my unwillingness to repeatedly turn the other cheek. |
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LOUDER!!!---Pat Miron Marian Catecheist--"I" singular give "you Peter" ( a new name from God meaning ROCK in Greek, so He Jesus is speaking now, to only Peter.
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My dear friend in Christ,
Can we agree that "words mean something?" Catholic means "Universal' thus her (THE RCC) takes the utmost care in selecting not only what she teaches, but also HOW, as in what words best articulate, the truth taught by God and handed on by her. A most common understanding of the word is to be applied.
Jesus was a Jew, so because He spoke most often to the Jewish nation of His time, he utilized Jewish words, stories and expressions, inorder to be clearly understood. Agreed
In the O.T. time period Jewish cities were almost always "walled in and fortified." This is a historical fact.
The norm for these walled cities was to have a "main gate" which in point of fact, did have real a key.
I'm getting tired so I'll try to be brief. Please take note of the following (use the K.J. version if it'll make you more comfortable.)
13* Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that the Son of man is?" 14* And they said, "Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16* Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17* And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19* I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."[/COLOR
]Now note the following:
"I" singular
give "you Peter" ( a new name from God meaning ROCK in Greek, so He Jesus is speaking now, to only Peter.
Again "I" singular will build "MY church" also singular
I (Jesus) will give you (Peter) singular the "keys to the kingdom."
And the gates of hell shall not (God speaking to Peter) prevail againist it." How can this be, because God manifested in the Holy Spirit is the guarentor of this truth. God simply cannot lie, and a "Pope cannot error when teaching world wide, to the entire Church on matters of Faith and Morals."
Now back to the walled city, which represents the Kingdom of God in this instance.
Each city had a King, but the person who held "the key" held the real power. (Because this was the Kings desire.)
The key-holder was called the "Prime Minister" and it was he who make all the daily decissions, what could be done, what could not be done, who could do what, and who could't do this or that. Again this is historically proveable.
So what was the point of Jesus giving Peter the keys? To clearly indicate His Godly intent to give Peter the complete power (answering ONLY to the King) to run totally, independently and completely the Kings Kingdom (now meaning God's Kinkdon on earth: His Bride. His Church.)
Jesus is "the King" and Peter is the New Prime Minister.
The terms "binding and loosing" meant exactly that, and in point of fact are legeally binding rabbical terms of the time, for this very kind of power and administration. Thus read "as infallible" that is a proper understanding of the term, "bind and loose" because ONLY the King could over rule the PM. So only Christ Himself can over-rule Peter and the Pontiffs.
Jesus is represented as the King: 'Hail King of the Jews." St. Peter is the New Priminister. I Jesus give you Peter the key's to My Kingdom. Can't be clearer than this.
So that explains clearly how Peter was placed in charge, of God's one church.
Because Christ died "for the many", we know that His church was not entended just for the short life of Peter alone. Common sense!
Because Christ (God's) Church was given the seven Sacraments ( and yes this is bibically founded) we understand this was because "all men are sinners", God's desires that "all-men" be saved." (There are more who are lost than saved.) He provides heavenly-Godly help in the form of the free gift of grace, and in His one Church, are the Sacramental graces par exellence: Holy Communion, the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Glorified Body of Jesus, and the Sacrament of Known Forgiveness, "reconcillation." plus the other Sacraments.
So, it's late for me, so until next time.
May our loving God continue to shoer you with blessings,
Pat Miron
Marian Catecheist
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Re: Sola Scriptura?biblical?
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Originally Posted by reccanboy
Comparing Matthew 16:19 with Matthew 18:18, Jesus seems to be speaking of when there is a brother sinning in the Church, or a scandal. The issue is to be taken up with the Church.
I don't understand your position from my reading of Matthew, can you help me out? This also seems to be the interpretation given by the Church Fathers. I find no mention of an infallible Church. |
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My dear friend in Christ,
Can we agree that "words mean something?" Catholic means "Universal' thus her (THE RCC) takes the utmost care in selecting not only what she teaches, but also HOW, as in what words best articulate, the truth taught by God and handed on by her. A most common understanding of the word is to be applied.
Jesus was a Jew, so because He spoke most often to the Jewish nation of His time, he utilized Jewish words, stories and expressions, inorder to be clearly understood. Agreed
In the O.T. time period Jewish cities were almost always "walled in and fortified." This is a historical fact.
The norm for these walled cities was to have a "main gate" which in point of fact, did have real a key.
I'm getting tired so I'll try to be brief. Please take note of the following (use the K.J. version if it'll make you more comfortable.)
13* Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do men say that the Son of man is?" 14* And they said, "Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16* Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17* And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19* I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."[/COLOR
]Now note the following:
"I" singular
give "you Peter" ( a new name from God meaning ROCK in Greek, so He Jesus is speaking now, to only Peter.
Again "I" singular will build "MY church" also singular
I (Jesus) will give you (Peter) singular the "keys to the kingdom."
And the gates of hell shall not (God speaking to Peter) prevail againist it." How can this be, because God manifested in the Holy Spirit is the guarentor of this truth. God simply cannot lie, and a "Pope cannot error when teaching world wide, to the entire Church on matters of Faith and Morals."
Now back to the walled city, which represents the Kingdom of God in this instance.
Each city had a King, but the person who held "the key" held the real power. (Because this was the Kings desire.)
The key-holder was called the "Prime Minister" and it was he who make all the daily decissions, what could be done, what could not be done, who could do what, and who could't do this or that. Again this is historically proveable.
So what was the point of Jesus giving Peter the keys? To clearly indicate His Godly intent to give Peter the complete power (answering ONLY to the King) to run totally, independently and completely the Kings Kingdom (now meaning God's Kinkdon on earth: His Bride. His Church.)
Jesus is "the King" and Peter is the New Prime Minister.
The terms "binding and loosing" meant exactly that, and in point of fact are legeally binding rabbical terms of the time, for this very kind of power and administration. Thus read "as infallible" that is a proper understanding of the term, "bind and loose" because ONLY the King could over rule the PM. So only Christ Himself can over-rule Peter and the Pontiffs.
Jesus is represented as the King: 'Hail King of the Jews." St. Peter is the New Priminister. I Jesus give you Peter the key's to My Kingdom. Can't be clearer than this.
So that explains clearly how Peter was placed in charge, of God's one church.
Because Christ died "for the many", we know that His church was not entended just for the short life of Peter alone. Common sense!
Because Christ (God's) Church was given the seven Sacraments ( and yes this is bibically founded) we understand this was because "all men are sinners", God's desires that "all-men" be saved." (There are more who are lost than saved.) He provides heavenly-Godly help in the form of the free gift of grace, and in His one Church, are the Sacramental graces par exellence: Holy Communion, the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Glorified Body of Jesus, and the Sacrament of Known Forgiveness, "reconcillation." plus the other Sacraments.
So, it's late for me, so until next time.
May our loving God continue to shoer you with blessings,
Pat Miron
Marian Catecheist
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